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How to stop wasting time in sales and start doing more business

Four rules, all measured. Cap the touches, count only real conversations, dial when people answer, and automate everything that is not a call.

By Corey Leon · Sep 21, 2026 · about 4 min read

Everything on this site comes back to one idea my dad gave me on a phone call in August. You can always go make more money. Nobody has figured out how to make more time. So the only thing worth building is a system that gives time back.

That sounds like a slogan. It is actually a set of rules, and every one of them is measured. Here they are, with the numbers, including the ones that made my own reported results go down.

The four rules, and what they cost

  1. 01

    Cap the touches

    Ten calls or five emails per lead. After that, unless the person talked to us, they are off the list and into nurture with a date. Twenty touches per client per day. No live prospect goes more than three days untouched, because the dial view sorts the coldest lead to the top.

    My words when I set it, and I stand by them: so we don't waste our time.

  2. 02

    Count only real conversations

    A qualified conversation is the decision maker on the line, 60 seconds or more of two-way, the pitch delivered, and something to relay: a question, a next step, a meeting, or a clear no with the reason. Voicemail, gatekeeper, wrong number, under 60 seconds: an attempt.

    When I applied that bar to my own book, the count dropped about 60 percent. One client went 17 to 7. Another 157 to 61. Another 91 to 33. Those were the honest numbers all along. One client's rate actually went up, 15 percent instead of 9, because the phone menus had been diluting it.

  3. 03

    Dial when people answer

    Thirty days, 12,428 dials, counted on the honest bar. Everyone dials at ten. It is the worst hour on my board.

    Hour (prospect's local)RateVolume
    5am1.8%
    6am1.9%481 dials, 9 conversations
    7am1.6%
    8am to 10am0.7 to 0.9%1,552 dials into 10am, 13 conversations
    2pm0.7 to 0.9%the afternoon floor

    The floor is exactly where the volume sits. The bug that hides this: counting a 60-second voicemail as a conversation flips the whole table.

  4. 04

    Bring every call back to time

    Off every call card: "do you have someone for this?" That question hands the incumbent the exit. On every card instead: "so how do we get this to actually help you?" The opener is straight: I'm going to be straight with you, this is a cold call. I'm not going to read you a script. Can I take half a minute and have a real conversation with you?

    Then the time close after the pitch, with the one line about what they stop spending time on. The only two numbers allowed on a card are ones I can prove: 62 minutes a day per person for one client, 18 months to under 90 days for another.

  5. 05

    Automate everything that is not a call

    The loop reads the inbox every 10 minutes and drafts. Owed replies get found every minute. The show-rate desk confirms at 48 hours and reminds at 3 and 1. The post-call note writes itself from the transcript. On Sunday a learn pass reads what I edited before sending and writes the rule. All of it drafts, none of it sends.

    The loop is the easy part. The hard part is the two to three thousand dials behind a hundred real conversations, and no prompt makes those.

  6. 06

    Price the unit you count

    The book runs about 72 dials per qualified conversation: 2,438 dials, 181 connects, 34 qualified in one week across every client. So the price is per conversation, not per meeting. $100 each, in packs of 25, 50 or 100, paid upfront, and I keep dialing at my own cost until every one is delivered.

    Meetings are never promised, because how many book is a function of your offer, not my dialing.

Run this today

  1. Write the cap into your CRM view today: 10 calls or 5 emails unless two-way.
  2. Re-count last month's conversations on the 60-second, decision-maker bar. Accept the number.
  3. Move one hour of dialing from 10am to 6am in the prospect's timezone. Measure for two weeks.
  4. Take "do you have someone for this?" off every card. Put the help question on.
  5. Pick one job to automate. The loop. Text me for the prompt.
  6. Ban "checking in" and "not heard back" from every follow-up.
  7. Price what you count. If you count conversations, charge for conversations.

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The dial-hour table and the qualified conversation checklist

What an hour is worth on the honest bar, and the four things a conversation needs before it counts.

HOUR (prospect's local)   RATE        NOTE
5am                       1.8%
6am                       1.9%        481 dials -> 9 conversations
7am                       1.6%
8am to 10am               0.7-0.9%    1,552 dials into 10am -> 13 conversations
2pm                       0.7-0.9%    the afternoon floor
30 days, 12,428 dials, qualified conversations only.

QUALIFIED CONVERSATION = all four:
  [ ] the decision maker, not a gatekeeper
  [ ] 60 seconds or more of two-way
  [ ] the pitch delivered
  [ ] something to relay: a question, a next step, a meeting, or a no with the reason
Everything else is an attempt: voicemail, phone menu, wrong number, under 60 seconds.
The book: 2,438 dials -> 181 connects -> 34 qualified in one week. About 72 dials each.

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The 10 prompts that run this.

Text me the word prompts and I text you the pack. Then tell me what you sell and I'll say which one to run first.

Text me 'prompts'

or text prompts to +1 (617) 710-6179

Want to read them first? The 10 prompts are here.

FAQ

The questions I get on this.

What counts as a qualified conversation?

The decision maker on the line, 60 seconds or more of two-way, the pitch delivered, and something to relay. A no with a reason counts. A gatekeeper, a voicemail, a phone menu, a wrong number, or anything under 60 seconds is an attempt.

How many dials does one conversation take?

About 72 on the honest bar across every client: 2,438 dials, 181 connects, 34 qualified in one week. Between 20 and 30 on a good list with a good offer. The week I measured was heavy on a list dense with gatekeepers and phone menus.

When is the best time to cold call?

On my board, six in the morning in the prospect's timezone, at 1.9 percent. Five and seven are close behind. Ten in the morning is the floor at under 1 percent, and it is where most people dial.

What do you charge?

$100 a qualified conversation. 25 for $2,500, 50 for $5,000, 100 for $10,000, paid upfront. I keep dialing at my cost until every one is delivered. Pricing is on the homepage.